Scotch Grain is particularly big and has its own production and stores, as well as being in department stores. Update: had to take the leather insert out, just couldn't deal with how shallow the toe box is. I have a pair of Chelsea boots by Sanders, bought at John Rushtons. Carminas are really chic, classy, and fashionable. G. F. G. . 8 last 9D: Bad fit. I brought a pair of black Oxford brogues in a classic last for 109 that were from the previous season and a pair of Dark Leaf Calf Oxfords for 150 that had a negligible fault (even the staff had to look it up as it wasnt obvious). Crockett & Jones (bench grade): I own the Alex (wholecut on 348 last). Overall fairly similar to TLB but a little sleeker overall, with tighter cut soles, more dense stitching, and (in my opinion) sleeker lasts. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes. Those two are quite similar, in that they both have pretty large marketing budgets, run their own retail, and have ridden the wave of classic menswear in the past few years. And they are one of the very few brands offering something for the ladies. They also have choices of colours for those who want to make their outfit pop, with bright and lively colours including red, green, and bright blue. Would you have any insight into the quality of the GC ready to wear versus C&J handgrade please? Lots of toe room and good heel feeling. Brannock Size: 10D/E with flat feet and extra wide around instep. Were not aiming to cover the whole market here, by a long way the focus is on cheaper shoes that we would never normally cover on Permanent Style, really below 300. Trickers town shoes, especially the wonderful Belgrave adelaide, top any C&J shoe I have in terms of comfort and build. Dress socks. 2. Its a smidge roomy, but I don't believe going an extra half down would have worked and I prefer boots to be worn with boot socks. Or about 9.5D right foot and 9.4D left foot. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5E: hoping these fix the sizing issues.**. Its a long time since Ive worn shoes at that price level, and I simply have no frame of reference. Very useful for us who buy shoes in this price range. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. They initially repaired free of charge and when the heels came loose again they replaced for a shoe from their 1880 range. Giro bike shoes: 45.5 EU - Great fit. EL, I think you kind of answered the question in your first statement. 11D would've been better out of the box but CXL is very forgiving. Lets not forget also that a bespoke shoe with a fiddle-back waist and angled heels can also have an element of vanity (albeit smaller than a watch). Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. With 10.5D, my feet are usually swimming in the shoe. Theyre a solid make with a little paid for the brand, and decent value in the States - though not elsewhere, where duties make them much more expensive. He was also involved in the development of the TLB Artista range, so there is a financial relationship with all of those brands. Herringshoes.com). Any other leather I handled was absolutely fine! My experience with them has been very similar to yours, Felix. Because every Carmina thread is comprised of "what size am I" questions. Red Wing Postman: 10D, wore for a year but sold due to low volume toebox. Non-sense. Bought before I understood my size. I cant really comment Im afraid Sebastian, having never owned any. Perhaps I need to re-examine what value I place on shoes. Carmina: one step down from C&J but higher quality than the others on the list. European lasts just dont fit well as they have heels that are way too big. Boot socks. Foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes some bowing. Most shoes that say theyre made in the Almansa area of Spain are made by Sendra.. Carmina shoes come with better finishing than the Meermin shoes. It's a strange feeling last, but I can make it work. Ive also, more recently, experienced the customer service at GC and G&G excellent in both cases, as was the consistently good service at the Little Cheaney shop in Leeds, when I lived in the North of England. As Im a women who is looking for well made leather shoes, I have even smaller heels than the male feet in comparison to feet length. Pinky toe pinches a touch, * **Meermin Bob** 8UK a hint loose at the heel, but snug at the forefoot, * **Meermin Elton** 8UK very snug to start, much more comfy now, * **Meermin Olfe** 8.5UK could've probably gone down to 8UK but is still pretty comfortable, surprisingly not too slippy. Would these look good suits ( navy/grey) and trousers ) blues/grey/green/white etc.) Interesting to hear you sized up for Simpson when based on your description above you Could probably have stayed on an 8. Some of the shoes on sale are factory seconds and its not something they outrightly advertise. Both of my pinky toes stick slightly out, sometimes I say I have splayed toes, but it's really just the pinky toe on each foot likes a bit of room. Sendra has its own brand as well as making for others, which is a little more expensive than Berwick or Meermin. Allen Edmonds 511G 9.5D: Slightly long and a bit too voluminous, was meant to be worn with dress socks, end up wearing it with boot socks to make it fit. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. Trickers 4444: A perfect fit in 8.5 with medium socks in Logger boots. Job done. Allen Edmonds 511 9.5D: Seemed like a bad fit or just poorly lasted. Allen Edmonds Sizing to Carmina & Meermin Those that have Allen Edmonds and carmina or meermins, what size do you wear in AE compared to the others? Its actually something well touch on in our upcoming piece looking at budgets and capsule wardrobes. The Yanko felt very similar to the TLB if a bit softer overall (this makes sense as the founder of TLB used to be with Yanko). Our featured affiliate vendor of the week is a brand new affiliate vendor, the artisan Bespoke Shoemaker Szuba. Customers complain that the Meermin shoes are often poorly finished. Should fit most people TTS. Im surprised not to see JFitzpatrick in the Spain list. But you might want to chat with Carmina first to double-check. White's 50/50 9D: This is now one of my best fitting lasts. Interesting times and personal style journey. But they belong in a different category, a quality level down., France, Germany, Italy: Loding, Orbans, Velasca, Shoepassion. One brand not mentioned were the French company Bexley. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. Very comfortable, great instep for oxfords, * **Trickers W2298** 8UK a bit tight at the toes, perfectly snug everywhere else, * **Trickers 4444** 8UK tiny bit of heel slip, fits like a dream at the ball, * **Thomas George Jackas** 7.5UK a bit roomy. They are amazing shoes. Thank you for this listing Simon. Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. Red Wing 8 9D: decent fit. Particularly for certain watches perhaps, although less likely for certain muted bespoke suits which might fit better but wont look more expensive than a good of-the-peg one. Good arch support, toe box is low, but not too low, and just an all around comfy fit from day 1. Regarding the soles, the comment was of course a generalisation, and of course British makers use European soles in most cases, that doesnt change anything. The latter will in general be more durable, since its thicker and consists of all the parts of the leather. , yet they settle for shoes at a, relatively speaking, much lower level. Seemed comfortable at first but the more I wore it, the more I realized it just doesn't work for me. To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. Carmina shoes are made with premium materials that are much superior to materials used for making Meermin shoes. Nobody wants a bad fitting pair of strides but at least they wont cause you physical pain. Not only the uppers are nicer, but the full calf liners are a joy when you put them on and you walk even a bit. Its hard to say since theyre Chelsea boots, which means breaking in isnt as much of an issue as with lace-up shoes. The Rain 7.5EEE was okay but not great - more tight than comfortably snug, and I'm not sure if they would break in well for me. I would like to recommend Trading Post in Japan. . Given I can purchase a pair of CJ for 650 retail shipped from England this is not a great value. Parkhurst 18 Last 9D: Too narrow, should have gone TTS. HOK 8.5: Bad fit. No more Stows for me. Ive only been reading PS for a few months, and I immediately got hooked to the point that I spend my free time reading past articles in order to catch up. Based on reviews, Im hopeful. Youre right, the second pair are a little more casual, but I think either would be OK and personally I prefer the shorter apron of the former. I would agree that some change has happened since Stollenwerk sold the company to an investment fund, they seem to have gone into the greed and certainly for some cost cutting somewhere to make up for the handicap of making in the US. Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). Moreover, theres no industry standard in how to name these things so anyone can call anything what they like. Thanks Robin. I wear chup socks with all of my shoes and boots these days, but for some of these I wore Darn Tough crew light or Darn Tough cushioned boot socks. The main difference is that cheaper brands use split suede, where the hides have been split into two layers (sometimes even three, but thats mainly used for even cheaper shoes), while more expensive brands use reverse calf suede (where you have the full hide, and the flesh side is sanded). men's size 6D with my thickest socks; my dream would be a size 5.5 in this last: 6D Meermin Hiro Derby: 4.5: UK: . I just read on an Spanish forum that Meermin and Carmina used to buy together batches of leather from the same place. Slightly tight on mid-foot for the first day. I happily pay the very reasonable cost for a brand providing a certain width, a good service, retaining the lasts that suits me and other added values. The Septieme Larguer felt very similar to the Andres Sendra from what I remember. Loake Bullet last (F-fit): 7Uk fits but a bit tight around toes. Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. Hello Simon, it would be interesting to have an additional piece about brands a tier above those, e.g. Bought before I understood my size. There is a great day out to be had (or was) visiting the factory shops of the main makers in and around Northampton. I have had a very different experience with EG service. Even with a tongue pad, facings fully come together throughout the instep. Lobb, Green etc have never felt as good in my experience, and in the real world I have never been able to see how or where they could justify their relatively higher prices. While I have no problem wearing RTW tailoring that is cheap relative to the bespoke stuff you discuss on the website, with shoes I found it impossible to go back to cheaper brands once I got my first EGs. As for Northampton shoes they are still great value if you buy in the sale or go to the factory shops. The ball of my foot is at the widest part of the boot. does not really mean quality will be consistent. Also Barkers at the 1880 price point are made in the UK. I'd still stick with your usual 2030 size. Still fine for the price point, as this piece suggests, but the quality control is miserable. I wonder how much more comfortable it would be. But it fits pretty good and I'd happily buy another pair of 1035. very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now Where C&J excels is in the breath of their offering, but the overall quality wouldnt differ significantly between the two. Thanks a lot Simon. There are many brands in that segment, such as Joeworks or October Tenth, that I think might appeal to a fair number of PS readers. I find that you almost always get what you pay for when it comes to goodyear welted shoes and both of these shoemakers are a big step up from all the budget tier brands I have tried in terms of materials, fit, craftmanship and durability. Could not find info. Rancourt 113 loafer: men's size 6D is pretty good Meermin Hiro derby: men's UK 4.5 wearable but the heel is . I find the shoe discussion to be an interesting one. Berwick is very good quality and seems to be stealing some of Loakes market share in the U.K. Prices at the well known shoe store near Victoria undercut Loake. Indeed the leather is really stiff. Ive spent up to $2000 on a suit or sports jacket or coat on various occasions but have never spent more than $350 on a pair of shoes. Merrell Vapor Glove: 10D, no issues since there's barely any structure. Spain level 2: Berwick, Sendra and Meermin. The quotes throughout are his. I bought a pair of suede oxfords some months ago and I have found them to be fairly good for their cost. **Renav has inconsistent sizing it turns out. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. They use plastic heel stiffeners, and the make is solid and English - not that refined. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. Theyre good at marketing and following trends in particular, and have done very well in recent years. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and Carmina (above) coming to prominence in the past 10 years. I got tired of my usual worn brands price development and wanted to see if it is possible to find decent shoes under 300 Euros, which in my eyes is in no way cheap. Yanko 915 3 eyelet derby 9.5UK: Probably more form fitting and snug than tlb or carmina (probably due to sizing down) but near perfect in shape. Customers love the shape of the Almond Toe-Boxes of Meermin shoes Many believe that that design adds well to the elegance of the shoes. Ive since moved on to other brands because I wanted higher quality. I think either would be fine. Slightly low instep and volume. Regarding AE, theres certainly been a change since their most recent acquisition in 2017. Also, the chunky sole and derby construction arent that suited to suits. Crockett & Jones, Churchs, John Lobb, Joseph Cheaney etc. Jason: Thats a real shame. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. 2030 last 9.5: Acceptable fit with tongue pad and thin socks. Thanks EL. Thats a point worth emphasising. Finally, in terms of comfort, the insoles are much thicker and more comfortable in terms of conforming to the shape of my foot than any other shoes on this list (including Weston) other than Andres Sendra. on that curve of diminishing returns. 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